Pivot is a group in relentless pursuit of perfection and constant change. Its members share more than just a passion for their work. They have a sense of urgency in re-inventing themselves with every word put to paper or note put to tape. Their live show incorporates simplistic visual effects that tie sight and sound into one. Pivot will leave its audience making plans to see the next show. This band is quite simply interested in one thing...creating good music.

PVT - Satan's textured vegetable protien!

What. The. Fuck.

Interesting that they chose not to fight it. There's a PIVOT (Aus) poster in the IT room of The IT Crowd (quite visibly).

I'd also have wanted to get some intelligence from which shithouse US law firm the US Pivot engaged. Typically idiotically litigious American cunce.

aw that's stupid, PVT sounds like the transmission in a Vespa scooter. (CVT)

should've changed it to something better. Manitoba, Final Fantasy.

or Make Me Love You.

should have changed their name to SPIDER CRISIS

pivot pretty much sound like shitty nu-metal these days anyway.

ooga boogas are know known as GBG

*now

girls bersus goys

Guided by Goices.

glue brass and glues

Circle Pivot

blues clues?

Circle Pivot

lolling

This happens alot in the racing industry when horse come over from NZ to race in Australia and the name is already taken. Usually the just put a Lord or a Sir in front of the existing name.

Sir Pivot

or Lord Pivot?

Shedad

The Pivots

PRVRT

for fucks sake

people / cunce take naming WAYYYY too seriously

Divot.

The letter claimed that Pivot (the Australian/good one) were infringing upon a registered US trademark that had recently been acquired.

I'd also have wanted to get some intelligence from which shithouse US law firm the US Pivot engaged. Typically idiotically litigious American cunce.

Is this something the US ''band'' is doing in the hope there is some financial benefit for them (i.e. Aust Pivot needs to buy the trademark)?

Does this mean their previously released records - if reissued need to have a name change?

Pivo

The Australian Pivot, signed to fucking Warp Records and with a bunch of albums and international tours under their belt, give up their name because an unsigned US band with a couple of EPs want to use it now?

Lame.

nu-pinot

Way to break the story AFTER I posted in the Pivot thread.

Content contributors are stealing your posts!

Content contributors are stealing your posts!

It's been happening for ages. Lame stuff.

should've changed it to pacifier.

PVT - Satan's textured vegetable protien!

LOL

Fulcrum

iVot

VoIP

Lost Pivot

Clearly they should have changed their name to the Stone Temple Pivots.

Paciviot

''digital content''

this band(?) stopped being interesting 10 years ago...and even then UKIYO-E, PROP and PIMMON made them look good by association (or bad depending on a punter's perspective).

i feel sorry for y'all, buy jonsi's new album and cry into your miso soup.

yuk.

I'd also have wanted to get some intelligence from which shithouse US law firm the US Pivot engaged. Typically idiotically litigious American cunce.

Wikipedia reckons nu-metal were around since 96, and Australian since 99.

Australian pivot don't have a prior use claim to fight the Trade Mark with, so I don't see that they'd have any hope of releasing in US market with the same name.

I highly recommend clicking on the US Pivot's myspace link. Comedy gold ! Drum Rack - check, 5 string bass - check, Cargo shorts - check.

I think PVT did the right thing by changing their name considering that the American Pivot has an impressive 56,672 views on Myspace and are unsigned, unknown, broke and crap.
They would prove a formidable foe in the international courts with their non existent financial might and would crush PVT if they could. But they can't. Same way as pigs can't fly.
They would need a case to begin with. Two little bands with no money and the same names isn't actually something the Legal Universe is interested in even though bands and music industry types would like to think that they are Very Important People. There are millions of bands with the same name and they don't exactly set the Legal Universe on fire.
Because they are insignificant.

I think it's Americas shitty 'first use in a territory' problem. If someone's used a name before in the US, then it's theirs. Sure, Pivot could fight and win, which could and would take loads of time but if they didn't win, they'd be screwed for the time AND up for a shitload of money

pivot probably got targeted because they are now on warp records and potentially would be worth suing. and yeah, they probably did the right thing, and there's a lot of precedent for just ditching the name (mantioba -> caribou comes to mind). you have to sell a lot of records to pay for a team of defence lawyer-ninjas.

Pivotkadia

Spivot

and there's a lot of precedent for just ditching the name (mantioba -> caribou comes to mind).

True, but Dictators are a little more famous than PIVOT U.S.

jerry harrison and the casual gods

True, but Dictators are a little more famous than PIVOT U.S.

meh. i'd never heard of them before the lawsuit. but i had everything manitoba had put out on cd.

Americas shitty 'first use in a territory' problem

That's not shitty, it's good. Also it's in Australia.

It's good because it protects people who can't afford a Trade Mark.

Let's say little-business-man has been using the name little-business-man for a few years, then some cunt starts a new business called little-business-name to steal their customers, and buys a Trade Mark.

LBM#2 sayd to LBM#1 well I've got the Trade Mark, so you can't use the name any more.

LBM1 can say well Fuck You actually just because you paid for a Trade Mark, doesn't matter because I was using the name first.

LBM2 actually has to stop using the name even though they purchased a Trade Mark.

The lesson here for everyone starting a band is that if you think you're going to get big enough to sell any music, do a fucking google search first to find out if anyone else has your name.

If they don't, publish some pages on the web in as many places as possible saying your a band using that name. That will give you some proof to having a prior use claim if anyone starts using your name later.

I know I will probably get a ferocious thrashing for saying this, but I checked out the US Pivot band and they aren't half bad. It wasn't at all what I expected. I do however agree that this whole name business is crap! I used to be in a band and quit because of all of the business bullshit. It was just draining. Bands should just get unique numbers assigned to them so we don't have to dwell on such petty words. It's a shame when it comes to that. How can anyone really own a goddam word???

M&N goes global !

battles_car said 11 minutes ago:

How can anyone really own a goddam word???

yes. it's fucked.

humanity needs to reclaim some basic rights from the corporations

look at what patents are doing to medical research and drug availability

thats just fucked....

I wanted to call my band Insane Clown Posse, but thanks to litigeous yanks, changed the name to ACDCU2 so that it would look good on a 'vanity' plate.

I'm not sure about Pivot's image now they've changed their name to PTV.

US can be 'Pivot A' and Australian can be 'Pivot 1'. Fair compromise?