does anyone play ''greatest hits plus some newies'' sets anymore?

that being said, i may just be at the annandale.

The Annandale line-up is killer. I gather it'll be an afternoon through to night affair?

This format of playing an album in it's entirety is getting a bit out of hand, isn't it?

oh, that east brunswick line-up is very nice.

This format of playing an album in it's entirety is getting a bit out of hand, isn't it?

nah, i love it. you know exactly when to take a piss.

aren't you taking the piss all the time?

zing!

waits for telecom to perform their ep in full

The annandale lineup is amazing. I'm so keen to go!

yesss.. the annandale line-up.. holy shitballs.. further and midget back-to-back.. not sure i could handle that ...

really looking forward to the melb show

the sydney show's the same night as battles @ opera house. nooooooooooooooooo!

great album, but i also do think this DLB thing is getting really carried away!

Although, hypocritically, I do want Snout to get back together and tour 'New Pop Dialogue'

not Circle High and Wide?!

no

I think I might go but the sad thing is my favourite song is 'Static', which is the first song on the album. Hmmm

i would never have admitted it back then, but i saw these guys several times and really enjoyed them. they are / were certainly a class above most of the dross that was going around in the mid '90's. they really should have been huge, but the music business is a funny business.

waits for telecom to perform their ep in full

waits for telecom to finish recording the album so they can play it in its entirety

Why aren't they doing Burn Out Your Name?

when fantomas played the directors cut they messed with the setlist order, so 'static' might not be the first song they play.

i can't wait. kitten licks is my fave album.

what's wrong with bands doing their own dlb? i didn't think is was being done much here and it would be good to see some bands do it. preferably from the 90s. not like we're gonna get in oz any of the good gigs that happen in london.

I wish they were playing Burn Out Yr Name too... that's my favourite 'Feeder album by far. That said I dig Kitten Licks too, and that just happened to be the one that gave them the most success so kudos where kudos is due.

But all that aside the shows are going to be killer - and yeah yeah, of course i'd say that - but I really reckon they will be.

And how's that Sydney line-up??? Be early to see Oxmusic - they are amazing. Really.

what's wrong with bands doing their own dlb?

nothing. nothing at all.

Tomorrow!

There Will Be Drunk.

Bump for greatness.

Does anybody know what time this gets underway in Sydney?

that was awesome!

Seconded!

what a lineup.

I bought ''Introducing Screemfeeder'' (singles collection) from JB hifi for 3 bucks yesterday. Score!!!!!

saturday niiiiight!

thank christ for people's facebook status updates, i would have forgotten all about it.

what was up with that fuckhead getting up on stage during midget?

do tell slothman...or anyone else that was there...what did the stage invader do? ie. why was he a fuckhead?

Some guy who was yelling 'get of the stage you homophobic bastard!' or something like that. Something about them being homophobic I believe (I was at the back)

The singer was all like OMGWTFBBQ!!??!! and the guy jumps on stage takes the bass players Mike and starts going on about how the lyrics are homophobic and he says something like 'go away fags' ???? in his lyrics. Anyway the singer laughs, tells this guy how much of a dickhead and that he is gay himself and he is def not a homophobic homosexual.

Then someone threw a glass at the heckler and he split his beer all over himself.

ANYWAY, I really loved the Screamfeeder set, plus they played Hi Cs at the end. Dart is such a great track

what an idiot.

screamfeeder were pretty good but i can't help but think this album really isn't worth the 'don't look back'-style treatment, nor the reissue (45 tracks?!). none of their albums are, and very few current australian bands have albums worthy of this. let it go, i say. hi c's was probably the best song because they actually jumped around like the screamfeeder of old.

someone's going to tell me to fuck off now, i bet.

also, tim steward looks like bill compton.

I got the Kitten Licks Deluxe which is 19 tracks, I wasnt sure what he was talking about when he said 45 tracks?

My girlfriend was saying how much tim looked like bill compton as well.

It was the first time I had seen Screamfeeder though so I can't really compare them to any other gigs.

haha, okay then. call me gullible!

in the old days (ahem), tim would jump off the drum riser bit and all. and jump up and down a hell of a lot in general. but then perhaps i missed this when i was staring at the back of other people's heads.

still a good show. i thought sounds like sunset were fucking excellent.

who is Bill Compton?

funny shit!

anyone go?
i'm suprised noone's talking about that letter in the inpress..
unless they are talking about it elsewhere..

i'm suprised noone's talking about that letter in the inpress..

for those without inpress whats the letter about?

I was wondering why nobody was discussing it too.

It was from the guy mentioned earlier in the thread who jumped up on stage. He claims that Midget made homophobic taunts towards him and that he was assaulted. He also says that he demanded some form of composation ie ticket refund from Tim Screamfeeder who basically fobbed him off.

damn, i didn't see midget as i was catching up with an old friend but sounds like i really missed something, huh? i like it when people embarrass themselves.

i saw this at the gig and read the impress letter. i can't believe inpress published that rant.

i think the guy blew it out of proportion. had he ever heard of midget before anyway? then he would have known not to bother. yes the singer said something offensive about no homos or something, i didn't pay attention, as most people who were there probably didn't either. then this guy went on stage. i'm sure he was offended, but he should have had words later, not jump on stage and make the situation worse. there were a lot of midget fans in the crowd. and you don't want to mess with the midget fans.

yeah surprised no mention here, but probably best thing is to ignore it.

wow, this just keeps on rolling along.... but i have to say my piece.

the comment made from stage was 'no homo', as in the stupid joke 'disclaimer' that dickhead heterosexual males - such as midget haha - make when they say something that sounds 'gay'. apparently the comment wasn't only 'offensive' for that reason - it also featured an appearance from that 'blanket with arms' the snuggie. no shit.

full story here:

http://www.samesame.com.au/news/local/4227/Midget_Singer_Homophobic

and forum discussion:

http://www.samesame.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=10141

cuz everyone knows that 'the singer from midget' is obviously a hate-crime mongering homophobe. of course he is.

funny, alex ettling (the 'victim') also made the Age a few years back, saying he'd been the victim of 'schoolyard bullying' for being gay. it's a cruel cruel world alex.

alex wasn't ridiculed by our audience for being gay, he was ridiculed for being an idiot. And he wasn’t standing up for gay rights, he was trying to avenge a bruised ego.

poor people who take life too seriously.

i know i know, they all need a snuggie!

alex wasn't ridiculed by our audience for being gay, he was ridiculed for being an idiot.

here here.

Hello – my name is Alex Ettling (the person involved in the East Brunswick Club incident),

It’s taken me a while to confront the things written on the internet, so apologies for not participating in the dialogue sooner. I’ve been a bit shaken by what happened and I’ve been really trying to put it out of my mind. I don’t get excited by conflict and I really don’t like putting myself out on display, but I want to get some good outcomes out of what has happened. So I’ll just respond to a few things that Chris Moller and others have said, and make some general comments about the issues as I see them.

Just like everyone who went to the Screamfeeder show, I just came to the East Brunswick Club to have a good time, have a few beers watch some rock. But I’m a socially conscious fellow and I don’t check this in at the door—even if most of the time I usually just think ‘that’s fucked up’ instead of being vocal. Being socially aware doesn’t stop me getting really excited cos one of my favourite bands Screamfeeder are playing ‘Kitten Licks’ in its entirety. I brought friends along to the show who don’t know Screamfeeder, and I thought it would just be a good night out for all. Unfortunately, my opportunity to have a good time was taken away from me when the ‘no homo’ comments were made. I’m vaguely aware of the no homo idea, but it didn’t click with me that this was being appropriated. Even if it did, it wouldn’t have changed my view of it being homophobic in this context.

The tough thing about calling people on the problematic quips they make is that it can make you seem like a humourless, curmudgeon. But it shouldn’t be underestimated how bloody hard it is to do political humour. How can you create levity out of the pain that comes from oppression? You can hope that a joke maybe jars people out of their complacency. If you’re in a controlled environment of people whose reactions you can reasonably predict, you might even be able to do some wry group therapy about how your oppression plays itself out. But its really difficult stuff to do, and the ‘you just didn’t get it’ response towards people who are marginalised by this sort of humour might not be good enough. And really, for all the people who laugh you really can’t be sure if they ‘get it’ or if they’re doing what Sarah Silverman describes as the ‘mouthful of blood’ laughs, where they’re actually missing any implied irony and cheering on the hating. And then there’s all the people who couldn’t care one way or the other, who might just think: ‘oh well, I didn’t care about the oppression of queers before and here’s someone making light of it, so I’m in safe company in being apathetic’. By saying ‘no homos’ on stage, it was a dog whistle to say ‘there’s an us, and there’s a them’. It’s saying: we are of course all straight here. Homo people aren’t here. And if they are, you wouldn’t want to be one of them. This is how that comment made me feel. And from that point on my night was as good as ruined. I couldn’t just be at a rock show. I was in a space of homophobia – overt and complicit.

I'll clarify some of the events that took place. I have a differing recollection to Chris about how events unfolded, but I don’t want to be sidelined by this sort of stuff because I think the broader issues are more worthy of people's time.

I was basically requested to come up on stage to defend my heckling from the crowd. I really couldn’t back away from it, but when I broke the seal and put myself out there I took on board the consequences of debating it out. I wasn’t expecting Chris to make those sexualised comments to imply that he was same-sex attracted. But it really doesn’t matter what your identity is when it comes to making prejudiced comments—and I said this through the microphone. Chris later said that his claim to sucking cocks wasn’t true but claimed that by saying ‘I suck cocks’ in front of a large crowd he was normalising male same-sex acts and therefore couldn’t be criticised as being homophobic. Aside from this not really responding to the initial homophobia of the ‘no homos’ comment, it’s also just another way of degrading someone in a weaker position of power. All of a sudden, I get these potentially embarrassing descriptions of what ‘people like me do’ thrown out there, and I have to politically articulate myself around that. And then I was told that ‘(I) hadn’t been laid in ages’. Any one familiar with sexism in the workplace can see the equivalent scenario taking place. The boss that talks dirty to the shy secretary, intimidating her into submission. And then when he’s exposed calls her ‘frigid’ and ‘can’t take a joke’.

I’m not sure why if Chris positions himself as an ‘anti-homophobe’ that he’d be so hostile to me wanting to publicly call someone on homophobia even if according to him it was a mistaken reading of the situation. Anyone who genuinely considers themselves part of a struggle is always chuffed when someone gets a bit gung ho and tries to stick it to ‘em, even if it is woefully misplaced. I do defend myself in saying that Chris incited the crowd to respond in the way they did. And given that two full drinks were thrown at me, hitting me in the face. And there was a gap between the two drinks, with no comment from anyone. Well, I’m wondering why Chris didn’t at any time seem to think: ‘hmm, my anti-homophobia project might not be going that well right now. I might just at least give a shout out to the principle of Alex taking a stand against homophobia, or at the very least I might just say that there’s no need to throw projectiles at his head’. But that didn’t happen. Again, I had to go to the mic and be the person who said what was happening was wrong. And I had my microphone cut off.

And here’s where you see the layers of homophobic oppression coming to the surface. On three separate occasions I asked to speak to the management or promoter to discuss what had happened. I was angry about the comment, the assault and the security’s failure to do anything about it. No one from the East Brunswick Club appeared. A test of a venue and the promoters of entertainment is how they keep their spaces safe and welcoming for all. Clearly, the East Brunswick Club has massive deficiencies in this despite what they have issued in their press statement. The security which they contract are obviously woeful in making judgements about violent situations and how to respond to these conflicts. The East Brunswick Club hasn’t admitted any wrong doing, they haven’t apologised and they seemingly are content to see violent hate crimes continue on their promises. They deserve to be called out on it.

to be continued...

(this message board won't let me include all of what I posted on Midget/Chris Moller's Myspace. Have a look there for my full response and some other things that other people and Chris Moller have since contributed to this debate)

[http://blogs.myspace.com/midgetsounds](http:// blogs.myspace.com/midgetsounds)

So...you over-reacted to an innocuous comment at a Midget show, made a fool of yourself onstage, and a month later, you're still writing essay-length pieces about it on Myspace and messandnoise...

I agree with ''fighting the good fight'' against homophobia, but dude, a Screamfeeder show is hardly a gay hate event. You should maybe start going to Butterfly Effect and Cog gigs if you really want to fuel your righteousness.

Where is hmmm when you need him.

This might not help things at all but as a gay man attending that show, I found the whole thing hilarious and not offensive at all.

By saying ‘no homos’ on stage, it was a dog whistle to say ‘there’s an us, and there’s a them’. It’s saying: we are of course all straight here. Homo people aren’t here. And if they are, you wouldn’t want to be one of them. This is how that comment made me feel. And from that point on my night was as good as ruined. I couldn’t just be at a rock show. I was in a space of homophobia – overt and complicit.

And right there is where you've gone, and continue to go, horribly wrong Mr. Ettling. He didn't say 'No Homos' he said 'No Homo'. So what's the difference? Well the latter is a reference to a you tube video which makes fun of male homophobia, a reference I dare say Chris regrets he made in the presumption that most had seen the video and would get the humour.

So the man made a dumb, off-the-cuff joke on stage at a rock show, and as regrettably awful as that joke made you feel it does not change the fact that he was making a dumb joke, he was not attacking you. The assault you mentioned (the beer-throwing,etc.) was not a gay hate crime, it was an assault on someone who misunderstood a gag, took to the stage inflated with some inherent sense of a 'broader issue', and started taking up the band's time on stage. You overstayed your invitation, and you were impolitely told to get off. Not the first time boozy rock fans have done so at a gig, and certainly not a gay hate crime.

You haven't 'called out' Chris, the fans of his band, security, or the east brunswick club on homophobic behaviour; it is in fact you that has been called out for creating some political frontline against a bigotry that simply wasn't there in the first place. As intruder said, it was a Screamfeeder show, ffs. The sooner you realise that, the better we'll all be for it. But it has been a month, so I'm not holding my breath.

By saying ‘no homos’ on stage, it was a dog whistle to say ‘there’s an us, and there’s a them’. It’s saying: we are of course all straight here. Homo people aren’t here. And if they are, you wouldn’t want to be one of them

I think that's a pretty extreme reading of the situation. A more reasonable interpretation might be that its just a reference to an arguably amusing internet meme.

You seem more than willing to cast yourself as a victim and cast numerous others as complicit perpetrators.

You mention that Chris' sexuality or same-sex attraction has no bearing on whether the joke is hateful or not. By the same token, not only gay people are offended by hateful remarks. Then why was nobody else in the room, gay or otherwise, beating down a path to the stage to stop the show?

Seems like you just misinterpreted a throwaway remark and got yourself into an embarassing situation because of it.

My advice would be to cut your losses and look for a more deserving target.

And while i understand this incident is all about the power of language - the real powerful language here is what you posted - hate crime this, submission that.... jeez

You dirty homo if you dont like being a homo stop being one...who gives a shit if you love the cock...you sound like one of those uptight pricks that hates themselves for loving the cock. You are the sort of cunt that would be whinging, if you were straight about something else. Get over yourself, go gobble a dick or two. I have heard massive homo cock munchers mouth off about pricks like you before. I get abused for being a fag all the time and im not even gay. You arnt gay your a whinger. Go find a dick sit on it and rotate.... also when your finished being a crybaby come to my island and fuck the shit out of my dirty homosexual roommate...he is starting to tickle my feet n shit when im sleeping...and the clothes he wears are becoming less and less..he needs a dick like you need a pacifier..suck my cock.