:(

i'm sorry for dragging my misery around the place. where are my manners? this is not what good guests do.

Oh it's terrible, bloody terrible you you...mood killer you!!

I would suggest visiting a site like beyondblue. You'll get more help there than you will here.

what does 'run come save me' mean?

try and get a good nights sleep tinyman, things will feel better tomorrow.. :)

efexor anti-depressants saved my life.

but too much more of them may have numbed any feeling in me.

that beyond blue website just tells me to find a doctor and a psychologist. i've already done that.

maybe get a new doctor and a new psychologist?

i think there's a forum there as well. maybe join up.

this weather makes me depressed.

also, as pathetic as this sounds.....i really want a gf who is actually legitimate, replete with integrity, nice looks and a brain. Kinda had enough of those with no depth. period.

Docs and psychologists are able to help with the symptoms - if things have been really bad and getting worse for a while, then at least you can get back to relatively normal...
But the cause of unhappiness can be a tougher one to crack, particularly if it's not something temporary or easily changed.

Mark-ed - Do you like Dr Who and going to plays? come here and fall in love with me.

But yeah, I had enough of feeling sorry for myself and all that. I just stopped giving in to those stupid, illogical paranoid things you do when you're depressed. It doesn't go away but it does make you feel a little more in control.

it does get better with time. i know it sounds fucking trite, but it does. try to surround yourself with good friends who don't care if you cry and have a snotty nose, and who aren't going to mind if you pike on dinner for the fifth time in a row.

cuddle a kitten.

try to surround yourself with good friends who don't care if you cry and have a snotty nose, and who aren't going to mind if you pike on dinner for the fifth time in a row.

i don't know where i'd be without those friends.

I don't have anybody like that, except for one girl. I've had a shitty night and i really needed to talk to her. she's in Gambia. Fuck.

Yeah, surround yourself with animals. Stroke these animals. Feel their warmth beneath your fingertips. Ponder the simplicity behind their sad little eyes. Notice the way they try not to kick you when they're managing the awkwardness of balancing in your lap.

'Run come save me' is a Roots Manuva album.

tiny, just keep talking about it to people. It lifts the weight.

And animals. Talk about it to them too. They understand, I swear.

Why on earth did I click on this thread?

Why did you feel you needed to comment?

If you're smiling Brian, then I'm smiling too :)

I think I missed something again! :)

I can handle havin my posts removed for the greater good & can appreciate why m&n decided to do what they did.

mrsjackwhite is right...there's some minds on the brink here, and we support each other, but the very fact that we are fragile dictates that there must be a line in the sand drawn....& for legal issues also I'm sure.

I don't think lifeline etc are perfect, but they are there to deal with a crisis, whereas m&n is not. When I'm not typing on a phone I'll post some other links that can help.

Places that can help....

For me, my GP was the first stop. I'm lucky to have a good GP, who (despite sending me into a 5 month manic episode by misdiagnosing me as depressed & prescribing an SSRI!) has been fantastic. A first port of call.

I then progressed to a psychologist....the first one I didn't like, so I changed. My current psych is fantastic & is the one who on my first visit to him said ''hmmmm, you're not depressed, you're bipolar!''. ''Hooray!'' I said, a reason for being the way I am. The joy subsided when I realised just what that meant for me, but I digress....

Psychiatrist was next....mostly to deal with meds & issues surrounding them. Once again, valuable help.

Now...here's a couple of extra support line thingies in Victoria....

In Victoria:
SuicideLine 1300 651 251 - 24hour support
Provides:
suicide prevention — counselling and support
crisis intervention
information for people concerned about suicidal risk in others;
support for people bereaved by suicide, and
facilitated referrals to services across Victoria.

They also have a suicide call-back service...
1300 659 467

''The Suicide Call Back Service is a free nationwide telephone support service staffed by real people with professional qualifications.

The Suicide Call Back Service supports callers through a series of six structured 50 minute telephone counselling sessions, scheduled according to the person's needs. It operates twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week. Professional counsellors, with specialist skills in working with suicide-related issues, assist clients to work through difficult emotions.''

More later...

Maybe an ''official'' depression thread prefaced with disclaimer (i.e. m&n management, nor any of its posters, are mental health professionals, nor should they be treated as such), a couple of guidelines (i.e. not descriptions of suicide methods are to be posted or linked to) and a list of support contacts would be good. So we know we have a place to discuss matters, but the vital info is up the top for easy access to everyone, and not lost in the fold.

You're kidding, right?

Step back for a second - moderation is not purely about protecting Mess+Noise's legal arses. They oversee a community of people, and they are clearly doing their best to navigate a complex set of issues and obligations whilst keeping the whole community's best interests in mind. You may argue that it's in the community's interest to leave things and let them be, but you may think differently if you were in the position they're in, having to make decisions for the good of everybody (and, as they said earlier, based on other information that's not publicly posted too).

I hate to bring this up again, but this clearly isn't the first time that a trusted and valued and loved member of this community has talked in very real terms about these issues. If you reflect on the grief that caused, and the impact on this community that had, you might begin to imagine the impossible position this presents when such a situation threatens to arise again.

So by all means, argue the point about moderation if you have to (M+N may disagree - sorry!) but for goodness' sake, do it in good faith. Just as it's unlikely most people here would actively invite a group of depressed individuals into their house to hold a meeting discussing how one person could or should kill themselves, surely you can understand why the moderation team don't want to encourage this discussion. They're trying to do what they can to make troubled people feel welcome and supported, yes, but they're also trying to avoid hurting a lot of other people — and this thread amongst others is full of individuals fragile enough to have their own depression exacerbated by such talk, let alone action.

I think that's the most intelligent thing I've ever seem you post u/a.

*seen

You should pay closer attention then.

Brian O'Dwyer said 14 minutes ago:
I think that's the most intelligent thing I've ever seem you post u/a.

I think that's the most I've ever seen you articulate!

Coz said 10 hours ago:
I'm fiercely protective of my friends. I'd rather fight for them and be banned rather than sit back and say nothing.

Understood, and respected!
And, big ups to u/a for your post. Nuff said.

@ Coz: I'm not sure Miss Katie really deserved that caning, I understand mental illness affects some people here but that crutch shouldn't be used as an excuse to beat rational and reasonable chats with.

@plastic_flowers: Dino?

Myles - I personally think she deserved every bit of that canning. Just read her posts around here.

What's annoying me the most is coz's assumption that Jose is not a lawyer.

And if you've never read anything intelligent from untold/animals then you're just not paying attention. He's the most articulate, intelligent person here.

i'm with poprocks on that last call.

u/a, I wasn't arguing against moderation at all.

@ Coz: I'm not sure Miss Katie really deserved that caning, I understand mental illness affects some people here but that crutch shouldn't be used as an excuse to beat rational and reasonable chats with.

Me being mentally ill has nothing to do with my opinions of miss katie or the posts directed at her. I'm not using my mental illness as an excuse or as a crutch, because it's irrelevant. Even if I was totally sane, I still think I'd have the same opinion of her.

Also, to the people that are bagging out the M&N lifeline post, journalist ethics code require the names and details of two separate organisations to be published at the end of any article which mentions suicide or depression. There's also a bit that says suicides must not form the basis of a story or article, and specific instances of suicide can't be referred to in detail. Or something. isn't that right? The inclusion of the lifeline refs etc seems to indicate the moderator is treating this thread as a journalistic piece, and trying to fit it within an ethics code, hence could the banning of the user who was speaking openly about suicide, and the snipping of some relatively innocuous posts? Am I onto something? Have I uncovered the conspiracy. Anyway, I hope that dude's OK.

And if you've never read anything intelligent from untold/animals then you're just not paying attention. He's the most articulate, intelligent person here.

+1

And if you've never read anything intelligent from untold/animals then you're just not paying attention. He's the most articulate, intelligent person here.

hahaha.

Me thinks you lot might need to pay more attention. hahahaha. genius.

http://www.mindframe-media.info/

The resource was developed with the assistance of media professionals, suicide and mental health experts and consumer organisations to inform appropriate reporting of suicide and mental illness, to minimise harm and copycat behaviour, and reduce the stigma and discrimination experienced by people with mental illness.

great link!