check out the movie "maybe i'll come home in the spring" starring sally field as a runamok hippy chick who returns suburbia after a couple of wild years of drugs & group sex with the beatnik crowd. also staring david carradine http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066062/

The Family: The Story of Charles Manson's Dune Buggy Attack Battalion by Ed Saunders is a great read about this era. Manson was one fucked up cat.

'Helter Skelter' (the book) is also great, and the film 'Psych Out' though it's a lot funnier (and nothing to do with Manson) fits in here, I think. Any biography of the Beach Boys is also recommended (by ME).

oh wow, scallywag I'd forgotten about that movie.

also check out go ask Alice.

also check out Joan Didion's novels juice. She comes from an old LA family and wrote some great novels.

I'm reading Day of the Locust at the moment which is set during the 1930s - another great decadent LA period.

'Shaky' Neil Youngs biography also has some insights into this period..

So does the 33 1/3 book on Love's "Forever Changes" - Manson was a huge fan of Love apparently, and Bobby Beausoleil (one of Manson's crowd) was briefly in Love at one point.

I'm just getting into Love now, because of all I have been reading.

Sister - I must had read Go ask Alice about 20 times when I was 13, can you remember the big scandal when it came out that it was written by some bloke social worker and not a 15 year old chick?

yes, that was very disappointing. I lived by go ask alice. I saw the movie when I was 12 and read it about as many times as you.

I hadn't quite realised the extent of it before reading the 33 1/3 book, but yeah, Love is scary under the surface, there's a lot of the occult on Forever Changes.

I didn't know there was a movie! Will track it down. I recall seeing this once a midday movie when I was really young and it also stuck with me......

last summer

you didn't know there was a go ask alice movie?

ye gods. It's brilliant.

last summer is good.

the billy jack movies are great.

maybe I'll be home in the spring is tops

i've watched too many of these movies really stoned and I'm struggling to remember the names of more of them.
there should be a website with great hippie drugged up movies of the 60s and 70s listed there.

"Laurel Canyon - Rock & Roll's Legendary neighbourhood" by Michale Walker looks like it'd be a good read. Starts with Byrds et al and follows the coked up easy listening side of things, ala Eagles and CSN&Y.

there sort of is. but it's mostly that spoofy beach and rocking stuff. the videobeat.com

THUMB TRIPPING 1972

THUMB TRIPPING 1972
U.S. film. A hippie, counter-culture, anti-establishment road film. A teenaged boy and girl meet in Big Sur, California and begin a hitchhiking adventure traveling north to San Francisco. The "interesting people" they meet include two switchblade-wielding psychopaths who threaten them, a Benzedrine popping pervert trucker (he urinates on them!) who locks the boy in the back and bangs the girl up in the cab, and a drunken alcoholic "swinging couple" in a cool 1950s car who take them for a wild ride! Long hairs, guitars and bongos! Lots of "Iron Butterfly sounding" rock n roll. Music by: The Friends of Distinction. The sixties were still alive in 1972! Meg Foster, Michael Burns, Bruce Dern, Mikel Conrad, Larry Hankin, Joyce Van Patten, Marianna Hill. Bonus Selection: LA's First Love-In 1967.

have you seen laurel canyon rigid?

I meant to go see it at the movies, but it disappeared before I had a chance.

Billy Jack movies are great. Like you sister I saw them too long ago while too stoned, and all in the space of a week so I have trouble remembering exactly what goes on, besides roadside hijinx, fistfights and the like.

err sorry, I'm just not with it this morning.

laurel canyon - the book?

I didn't see it, sister. Surely it'll come out on DVD here, if it hasn't already?

The book is what I'm talking about.

there's lots of stand-offs with The Man in the Billy Jack movies, lots of commune with counter-culture heads under siege from local rednecks etc.

we shouldn't forget Easyrider or Two Lane Blacktop.

Has anybody ever seen this insightful and humourous documentary called Los Angeles Plays Itself by Thom Anderson? You can watch the whole thing here on youtube. It's one of my favourite docos, and I was lucky enough to attend a q&a with Anderson attending (he's quite the personality) at the Egyptian in Hollywood last november. sigh memories The doco can never be officially released on DVD because it's constituted from hundreds of LA-based movies, and he could never afford to pay for the rights of all the clips. It's literally a labour of love.

Excellent casting rosevitch.

Morbid curiosity always results in slight nausea and hauntings.

i'm clearly in the wrong line of work currently.

Bale seems like the only dude psycho enough to actually try that role (and succeed in my opinion)

too many wimps in Hwood these days

Bale is pretty tall though isn't he? Manson is a mega short-arse.

jeezzzzzzzzzzzzzz holy cow how cool is this
I want it......... Straight Satans denimJacket

having trouble talking my partner around the $$$

Haven't seen anyone mention the book Sway by Zachary Lazar which is a fictional retelling of the Manson murders, mostly from Beausoleil's perspective, though also has lots of Brian Jones, Kenneth Anger etc too. Quite a decent read and seems to pop up in discount bookstores a lot.

Woah streetwalkin. How did you come across the vest? Cannot wait to see what price it will reach.

I'm curious - why would you want to buy that?

juicenewton* I reckon someone like Long Gone John will snap it up or John Waters for say 3k.

goingblank it's all to do with 1000 hits of mescaline that's why i would want the jacket.

geneclark thanks for the tip I will hunt it down.

I think LGJ already has one.

That jackets fucking cool, that's why you'd want to buy it.

The listing's not there anymore. Did it expire? I can think of two particular denim nerds who would seriously bid on it.

It had 3 days to go last night... hhhhmmmmmmmmm....

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Patrick Bateman????? Oh boy!

Some info on the Straight Satan's jacket from the seller:

The item listed was a vest owned by a motorcycle club from the late 1960s called the Straight Satans. The Straight Satans were the resident Spahn Ranch bike gang who helped Charles Manson and The Family steal cars. The sword that cut Gary Hinman and the gun used in the Tate/LaBianca/Crowe incidents were also owned by the Straight Satans.

I bought a Storage auction in Van Nuys, CA about 9 months ago with a friend, and this was inside.

In the photos of the Spahn Ranch raid you can see people with these jackets. Danny DeCarlo, by his own admission, taught the girls how to use knives and persuaded Charles Manson to shoot guns (until then he was against them.) When the FBI/Police raided Spahn Ranch, they took all of the members vests, and cut them up in front of them. This makes this piece one of only a few in existence. This is a museum quality piece, and a part of American History.

Apparently they were absorbed into HA.

You do not want to wear it. That's a death wish.

It's back

You do not want to wear it. That's a death wish.

Why not? It's a nice vintage piece.

You do not want to wear it. That's a death wish.
Why not? It's a nice vintage piece.

Don't wear anything with ''1%'' on it, or a vest or jacket with a back patch, especially if you visit truck stops, pubs near railway stations, tattoo parlours that work mainly in flash, and never, ever if you ride a motorcycle. Even a scooter.

Yuck.