King_Rat to thread.

how about aspergers - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

i think i'm borderline aspy, but i may just be hypochondriac.

i have a friend with an Autistic son. he's at a special school for it & everything - pretty full on. they help him a lot - but he can't really express himself at all and it's pretty frustrating for the little guy.

Do you have it, or does someone you know? I think I do. Sigh.

Is this your way of telling us you're a genius, sox?

Socks is defo a genius, but autistic? I think not.

i knew someone with aspergers. nothing like anyone on this website, nothing like craig nicholls, legitimately didn't fit in to society because he just did not understand it. for example, he didn't know why it was wrong to kick people to get them to stop talking, and he had no idea why the same person would avoid him from then on in, and would follow them round and ask ask ask ask. a lot of people felt bad about avoiding him, and an equal number felt bad about letting him know that what he was doing was offensive or annoying or creepy.

My cousin has Aspergbers.

It's very sad, he has no idea how to connect with people. Nice kid, though.

It's a very lonely for the sufferers.

Strike that 'a'.

i only learnt about autism because one of the kids that the girls in ''the babysitter's club'' looked after him.

'Aspergers', even.

Dammit.

self-diagnosed autism? i doubt it.

maybe you've just got sook issues.

socks autistic? hahaha? WTF? you wish mate.

dude get outta the bubble.

autistic people have no sense of relating to others hence no ability to talk bullshit hence unable to post on m&n.

bill gates has aspergers.

i went out with someone who told me they had mild aspergers. i wasn't exactly sure what that meant and when i asked him how it manifested itself he said sometimes he said inappropriate things. i went ahead with the relationship but kept an eye out for symptoms of aspergers. he told terrible jokes. absolutely terrible. the sort of jokes best left to slip through to the keeper. the sort of jokes that would embarrass dickie bird. every time he told a terrible joke i would think, 'is that your aspergers?' he also liked giving me a paddy whack every now and then and it's hard to get a good paddy whack so again i would think, 'is this your aspergers?' followed by, 'i'm really enjoying this does that mean i have aspergers? then he started rocking up with things to paddy whack me with. one weekend he rocked up with a length of garden hose and i thought maybe he wanted to make a bong but he said he wanted to strike me with it. again i thought, 'is this your aspergers?' also, he had been visiting op shops in our area in search of a hat pin. i asked him what he wanted with a hat pin and he told me he wanted to use it on me. 'is this your aspergers' i thought. it had got to the point where i could not tell what was real and what was aspergers anymore.

then i told him that i didn't think it was going to work out between us and he asked me if maybe i was manic depressive. i said, 'why are you asking me that? is it your aspergers?' he said i seemed very keen initially and he had noticed a decline in my enthusiasm for sexy times. i told him that i was beginning to feel like a person to strike/stick things into and it had had a negative effect on the relationship. then i said, 'haven't you ever gone out with someone and after a couple of months realised things weren't working out?' he said he hadn't. he said he rarely noticed anything and maybe that was because of his aspergers.

anyway, the point of this is: catalyst are doing a show on aspergers/autism this thursday night.

too long, didn't read it.

Haha. Hats off to you for an incredible story well told. I gave it five stars, Jenny.

I thought the point was you were advertising for someone to give you a good paddy whack

I don't think socks is autistic, but JockXBlaster may have been.

Tep, my friend studied homeopathy, changed to chinese medicine. She said that it's a load of baloney and the only things that works in it is how good a salesman/bullshit artist you are.

Who's Tep?

homeopathy cannot be measured using scientific double-blind randomised controlled trials because those tests are based on conditions.

wow. WE CAN''T USE LOGIC BECAUSE THEN WE WON''T GET THE RESULTS WE''RE AFTER!!!

I still wanna know how you can change a person's DNA with medicine.

but we consider the unusual characteristics such as, in one case, the boy was really afectionate, was very averse to sweets and craved seafood. So taking those sorts of individualising factors into account, there was a remedy given and the classic signs disappeared. Two years later the child was totally fine.

doesn't this point to misdiagnosis of autism? In which case, the homeopath was not treating autism and the doctors staint that the autism was a misdiagnosis is correct.

staint? statement.

magic happens!

How the fuck did I miss this comedy gold????

My favourite part was this:

Placebo plays a part in any successful cure but homeopathy cannot be measured using scientific double-blind randomised controlled trials because those tests are based on conditions

If anyone can show me one single repeatable experiment that shows homeopathy has any effect whatsoever that cannot be explained by the placebo effect, I will personally pay for their homoeopathic treatment for any life threatening ailment they may contract in their entire life until they get better as a result.

But they can't take any other treatment concurrently, of course.

I was hoping you'd turn up, modi. alas.

Because they're not potentised or successed in the way that homeopathic remedies are. Energy has to be invested into the bonds that bind the remedy in the solution and yes, there will be below-measurable quantities of the active ingredient in the remedy but, unlike the arsenic you mention, it's the way it changes the H2O-bonding that enacts the remedy's effects.

This is my favourite bit. Gobbleldygook masquerading as sciencetalk.

I was working I guess.

potentised and successed are my favourite terms of the day.

below measurable is good, too. Because.... how do you know?

This stuff was invented by a dude before germ theory was even posited. Absolute voodoo

it changes the H2O bonding!

(is that a vibe or an actual change of bonding making it no longer water?)

I have a degree in homoeopathy!

You have a degree in Baloney!!!

Placebo plays a part in any successful cure

really? how?

I would agree, actually, except doctors aren't allowed to prescribe placebos anymore, even though they used to do it all the time.

And yet homoeopaths make their entire living from it.

sorry socks, this thread seems to have turned into homeopathy bashing. I'll try and take it elsewhere. I hope you don't have autism.

I know, it's cruel to bash something retarded.

But that they masquerade as science and fraudulently take people's money is reason enough to discourage the practice.

here you go: homeopathy bashing thread

I'm even more concerned that anyone would think that something as seriously debilitating as autism can be treated with magic water.

Which is what the whole thing sprang from.

Structural brain problems can't be ''cured''

You're not a doctor, how would any of you know?

How would you?