Because science-fiction is relatively expensive to make, and so big studios are reluctant to green light arty science-fiction as a result.

In contrast, there's dozens of good quality science fiction books that come out each year.

In contrast, there's dozens of good quality science fiction books that come out each year.

Correct. I find it funny that whenever there's a discussion of ''sci-fi'' or science fiction it's exclusively about movies or TV.

Good Sci-Fi movies post Blade Runner? It's hard to come up with any, eh?

• Hardware
• Predator
• Event Horizon

What else?

I'm talking movies here, as opposed to TV series. I can't think of any classic Sci-Fi movies of the same calibre as Blade Runner from the ninties or noughties.

I really enjoyed Gattica

Gattaca, Children of Men?

Minority Report was decent

Ubu: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Gattaca. Minority Report. V for Vendetta. The Prestige was kind of science fiction in a steampunk kind of way. Children of Men is meant to be good, I haven't seen it. 28 Days Later is pretty sci-fi. Being John Malkovich probably qualifies as science-fiction. Truman Show was science fiction. Starship Troopers. Mars Attacks! was entertaining enough. 12 Monkeys.

Cube?

Cowboy Bebop: Knockin On Heaven's Door?

Neon Genesis Evangelion: the movies?

Akira?

but yeah, there's heaps of good sci-fi in books and TV (and shitjocky: Next Gen kept you going? what about X-Files?)... X-Files, Firefly, Torchwood, Farscape

I think your definition of science fiction is a bit broad there hillsong. v for vendetta? oh puleeze!

Appleseed (the movie) is excellent if you wanna include anime.

Why is that not science fiction? It's set in a dystopic future society. Just because it doesn't have space aliens.

T2 & T3

It doesn't have science.

Why is that not science fiction? It's set in a dystopic future society. Just because it doesn't have space aliens.

yah... i haven't seen the film, but the original was kinda a 1984 pastiche, and you could count that as sci-fi

Solaris.

The new one with George Clooney.

Very cool.

would love to hilly - also the last time i was over yours you were going to lend me a halderman book but I didn't pick it up when i left.... i'd still be keen for that one too!

also hilly - with the left hand of darkness... i wasn't sure about it when i started it but as it got underway I did indeed find it very moving - especially the last half once they start the long desolute trek across the glacier.

Solaris.

The new one with George Clooney.

Very cool.

Ohhhhhhh want to see that. Or the original

the original russian version was their 2001.

its quite long

“I am leaving soon and you'll forgive me if I speak bluntly. The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure. Now this does not mean giving up any freedom, except the freedom to act irresponsibly. Your ancestors knew this when they made laws to govern themselves and hired policemen to enforce them. We, of the other planets, have long accepted this principle. We have an organization for the mutual protection of all planets and for the complete elimination of aggression. The test of any such higher authority is, of course, the police force that supports it. For our policemen we created a race of robots. Their function is to patrol the planets in spaceships like this one and preserve the peace. In matters of aggression we have given them absolute power over us. This power cannot be revoked. At the first signs of violence they act automatically against the aggressor. The penalty for provoking their action is too terrible to risk. The result is we live in peace without arms or armies, secure in the knowledge that we are free from aggression and war, free to pursue more profitable enterprises. Now, we do not pretend to have achieved perfection, but we do have a system, and it works. I came here to give you these facts. It is no concern of ours how you run your own planet, but if you threaten to extend your violence, this Earth of yours will be reduced to a burned-out cinder. Your choice is simple: join us and live in peace, or pursue your present course and face obliteration. We shall be waiting for your answer. The decision rests with you...”

Oh Gawd,

l think l know that speech off by heart.

Reeves better not fuck this one up.

what is that from?

I've read a lot of Alistair Reynolds this year but Iain M Banks still has a special place in my heart. Anyone else got any good writers they can recomend?

read this..it will blow your mind...then the sequals broken angels and woken furies... fucking amazing.

I read that book this year. It was ok.I'll lookd for the sequels

some book talk in this thread

''I've read a lot of Alistair Reynolds this year but Iain M Banks still has a special place in my heart. Anyone else got any good writers they can recomend?''

if you like space opera check out peter f. hamilton. particularly the commonwealth series and the night's dawn trilogy.

I love stephen lawheads empyrium series when i was in my teens.

empyrion i mean

Father of sci-fi Forrest Ackerman dies