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Post Nihilism

zadie  said about 1 year ago  or at  1:29AM on Tuesday, July 3 2007.

This seems to be coming up in conversations lately. It's where nihilists go after nihilism.

Maybe anarcho-nihilism and other partial nihilisms are flavours thereof, but I think the general gist is nihilism with some instinct that a leaning towards the positive lingers on.

Thought for the week in any other venn diagrams of social circles?


Modi  said about 1 year ago:

There's no point in posting about nihilism


zadie  said about 1 year ago:

ha ha


hand hell  said about 1 year ago:

Nihilism is such an ill-defined term. You could say that western society now is so nihilist, that nihilism in the older (political or philosophical) sense of the word is meaningless.

I always liked Georges Bataille's nihilism, which is actually life-affirming by being opposed to all control or moderation, but even the idea of transgression is kinda played out these days.


frigid star  said about 1 year ago:

Post Nihilism is nothing but Intellectual Nihilism structured to a singular identities ability to survive.


seamonkeydisco  said about 1 year ago:

most 'intellectual' thought is about as intelligent as a turd floating in a bowl.


yrspiritflares  said about 1 year ago:

What is post-nihilism? Is it some sort of post-modern deconstruction of the idea of nihilism? Or simply an attempt to move past, or bypass, the ultimate end of nihilism - nothingness?

I'm unaware of the meaning of nihilism as a creed or ideology or approach to day-to-day living. (And I wasn't serious in referring to post-modernism or deconstruction, of which I know very little.)

My only concept of nihilism (via Nietzsche) is as a brute fact (meaninglessness of existence) that one inevitably has to take a 'stance toward' - not an ideology to be 'taken on'.

In this sense, you can either deny it and live in the 'illusion of an absolute system' (say, Christianity and attendant moral systems as a too obvious example) that may eventually arrive at (probably will, or already has) the original endpoint (realisation of nihilism – in this case via the action of 'will to truth' of the original absolutised perspective uncovering the lie at the centre of the initial position - sidetrack from main point of this response).

Or, a 'passive' stance toward, or acceptance of nihilism, eventually sinking into ressentiment (bitterness without end, eventually affirmation of will to nothingness – death. Hmm…but will to nothingness is still a will…).

Or, finally, an 'active' stance toward, or response to nihilism, which, under Nietzschean interpretation at least, can really only be undertaken aesthetically and creatively (since no absolute truth or access to reality, only perspectives or local absolutes - sidetracked again, me). The key words here – ‘aesthetic’ and ‘creative’ – that is, artistic endeavour (on one level at least). Creation of one’s own values.

I wonder if this active response - presumably the only viable one - to aesthetically create new values to interpret (one’s) existence is, in fact, the post-nihilistic position you refer to? In which case, it's not particularly new - it's been there since Nietzsche and to some extent Schopenhauer beforehand (but in the lesser form of diminution of will via aesthetic, and later ascetic, contemplation, rather than Nietzsche’s complete (positive) affirmation toward meaninglessness of life). And others?…

My lousy 2c. Hotch-potch of various recent readings.

(Thoughts. Simplistic? Uninformed? Can I get a ‘fuck up sook’?

Apo-logies for strained pomposity, but I do find this interesting.

And, fer fuck’s, don’t take it too seriously.)



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